Where stock returns come from
Dividends, earnings growth, and the swing in what investors will pay: Bogle's way of splitting the market's return.
FinanceBogle ch. 2About 5 min: 3 reading, 2 practiceUpdated
General education, not financial advice.
- Split a stock market return into dividend yield, earnings growth and the change in the P/E ratio
- Calculate the speculative return from a P/E change
- Explain why Bogle trusts the investment return more than the speculative return
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- Costs and the market
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- Bogle ch. 2
- Where stock returns come from 5 min
- Bogle ch. 3
- Owning the whole market 4 min
- Bogle ch. 5
- Fund returns versus investor returns 6 min
- Bogle ch. 6
- Taxes are costs too 5 min
- Bogle ch. 7
- When future returns are lower 5 min
- Bogle ch. 8–9
- Why past winners rarely repeat 5 min
- Costs and the market
- Is advice worth paying for? 7 min
- Bogle ch. 11–12
- Costs go on forever 5 min
- Bogle ch. 13
- Bonds and money-market funds 4 min
- Bogle ch. 14–15
- New indexes and ETFs 5 min
- Bogle ch. 16–18
- Graham, the arithmetic, and a plan 5 min
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Pairs with Bogle, The Little Book of Common Sense Investing (2007), chapter 2, "Rational Exuberance"
What it is
Bogle, following the economist John Maynard Keynes, divides the stock market's return into two parts:
- Investment return: what the businesses deliver. It is the dividend yield at the start plus the yearly growth in earnings.
- Speculative return: the effect of a change in the price/earnings (P/E) ratio, the price investors pay for each 1 of company earnings. When investors grow more hopeful and pay more for the same earnings, prices rise faster than earnings; when they grow fearful, the reverse.
Market return ≈ dividend yield + earnings growth + speculative return
The speculative part per year is: (P/E at the end ÷ P/E at the start)^(1 ÷ years) − 1.
Quick check
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The P/E ratio rises from 10 to 20 over 10 years. What is the speculative return per year?
- It compounds: 2 to the power 1/10, minus 1
- That is the total rise, not the yearly rate
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about 7.2%. 2^(1/10) − 1 ≈ 0.072.
Why it matters
In Bogle's data, the speculative part was small over the long run (about 0.1% a year from 1900 to 2005), while over single decades it swung widely. Those P/E swings, driven by hope and fear, explain much of the short-run ups and downs. Bogle's conclusion is that long-run returns depend on the businesses, and that past returns boosted by a rising P/E are a poor guide to the future.
Worked example
Bogle's figures for U.S. stocks, 1900 to 2005:
- Dividend yield averaged 4.5% and earnings grew 5.0% a year: investment return 9.5%.
- The P/E went from about 15 to about 18 over 106 years: (18 ÷ 15)^(1/106) − 1 ≈ 0.17% a year. Bogle rounds it to 0.1%.
- Market return: about 9.6% a year in Bogle's data (his rounded 0.1% on top of 9.5%; with the unrounded 0.17% the sum is about 9.67%), almost all of it from the businesses.
Compounded, 1 invested in 1900 at 9.5% a year grows to about 1.095¹⁰⁶ ≈ 15,000 by 2005. At the after-inflation (real) return of 6.5% a year that Bogle gives, 1.065¹⁰⁶ ≈ 790 times the start.
Decade by decade, the speculative part swings wildly. In the 1980s the P/E rose from 7.3 to 15.2: (15.2 ÷ 7.3)^(1/10) − 1 ≈ 7.6% a year on top of the businesses' return (Bogle gives 7.7%).
Simply adding the parts is Bogle's approximation; compounding them properly gives a very slightly different answer. The calculator shows both.
Common mistake
Treating a rising P/E as a lasting source of return. A P/E can't rise forever: if it went from 15 to 30 in one decade, that decade gained about 7% a year from mood alone, and a later fall back to 15 would take it away again. Bogle, like many others, calls this tendency to swing back reversion to the mean.
Key terms
- dividend yield
- yearly dividends as a % of the share price
- earnings growth
- how fast company profits grow each year
- P/E ratio
- share price ÷ earnings per share: what investors pay for each 1 of earnings
- investment return
- dividend yield + earnings growth
- speculative return
- the yearly effect of a change in the P/E ratio
- reversion to the mean
- the tendency of unusual results to move back toward the long-run average
Practise the key terms
Tap a card to turn it over. 6 cards.
| Front | Back |
|---|---|
| dividend yield | yearly dividends as a % of the share price |
| earnings growth | how fast company profits grow each year |
| P/E ratio | share price ÷ earnings per share: what investors pay for each 1 of earnings |
| investment return | dividend yield + earnings growth |
| speculative return | the yearly effect of a change in the P/E ratio |
| reversion to the mean | the tendency of unusual results to move back toward the long-run average |
Practice
Set the P/E start and end equal, and the speculative return disappears. Then try 10 to 20 over 10 years.
Work it through
A market starts with a dividend yield of 2% and earnings grow 5% a year. Over 10 years the P/E falls from 25 to 20. Estimate the yearly market return.
- Yield plus growth
- 20 ÷ 25
- 0.8 to the power 1/10, minus 1, times 100
- Add the investment and speculative returns
Quick quiz
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Which part of the return does Bogle call "speculative"?
- Dividends are part of the investment return
- Earnings growth is part of the investment return
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the change in the P/E ratio. It reflects what investors are willing to pay, not what businesses earn.
Over Bogle's 1900–2005 figures, most of the market's return came from …
- The P/E only went from about 15 to 18 over 106 years
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dividends and earnings growth. 9.5% of the 9.6% came from the businesses.
In short
- Market return ≈ dividend yield + earnings growth + speculative return.
- Speculative return per year = (P/E end ÷ P/E start)^(1/years) − 1.
- Long run: the businesses dominate. Short run: P/E swings dominate.
- Returns boosted by a rising P/E are a weak guide to the future.
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What are the two parts of Bogle's investment return?
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The starting dividend yield and the yearly earnings growth.
The P/E stays at 16 from start to end. What is the speculative return?
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Zero.
Why does Bogle distrust past returns that came from a rising P/E?
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The P/E can't keep rising; it tends to swing back, so that part of the return may not repeat.
Further reading
- John C. Bogle, The Little Book of Common Sense Investing (John Wiley & Sons, 2007), chapter 2.
- Before this lesson: Compound interest and Real and nominal interest rates on this site.
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