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Paying for advice

What a financial adviser can and can't do for you, how advisers are paid, and what an advice fee costs over time.

FinanceBogle ch. 10About 5 min: 3 reading, 2 practiceUpdated

General education, not financial advice.

After this lesson you can
  • Separate the services advisers can usefully provide from picking market-beating funds
  • Explain commission-based and fee-only pay and the conflicts each can create
  • Calculate what a yearly advice fee takes over decades
Common-sense investing: the case for index funds: lesson 9 of 13
  1. Bogle ch. 1
  2. The Gotrocks family 4 min
  3. Bogle ch. 2
  4. Where stock returns come from 5 min
  5. Bogle ch. 3
  6. Owning the whole market 4 min
  7. Bogle ch. 4
  8. Costs and the market return 3 min
  9. Bogle ch. 5
  10. Fund returns versus investor returns 6 min
  11. Bogle ch. 6
  12. Taxes are costs too 5 min
  13. Bogle ch. 7
  14. When future returns are lower 5 min
  15. Bogle ch. 8–9
  16. Why past winners rarely repeat 5 min
  17. Bogle ch. 10
  18. Paying for advice 5 min
  19. Bogle ch. 11–12
  20. Costs go on forever 5 min
  21. Bogle ch. 13
  22. Bonds and money-market funds 4 min
  23. Bogle ch. 14–15
  24. New indexes and ETFs 5 min
  25. Bogle ch. 16–18
  26. Graham, the arithmetic, and a plan 5 min

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Pairs with Bogle, The Little Book of Common Sense Investing (2007), chapter 10, "Seeking Advice to Select Funds?"

What it is

Bogle separates two things an adviser might do:

  1. Planning and behaviour: helping you save, set a mix of investments that fits your goals and nerves, think about taxes, plan for a home or retirement, and, perhaps most valuable, stop you making expensive mistakes like chasing hot funds or selling in a panic. Bogle says these services can be worth having.
  2. Picking funds that beat the market: here he finds no evidence advisers as a group do it. In a study he cites, by a team led by two Harvard Business School professors covering 1996–2002, the weighted return of stock funds held by investors who used advisers was about 2.9% a year, against 6.6% for investors who chose for themselves (excluding up-front charges).

How advisers are paid matters:

  • Commission: paid by the product provider when you buy. The adviser may earn more by selling some products than others.
  • Fee-only: paid only by you, often starting around 1% of your money a year, according to Bogle. Bogle quotes the adviser William Bernstein: fee-only pay avoids conflicts over which product is sold, though the fee must still be reasonable.

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  1. Which service does Bogle think advisers as a group don't reliably provide?

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    Picking funds that will beat the market. He finds no evidence that adviser-picked funds beat the market.

Why it matters

Advice can be worth its price, but only if you know what you're paying and what you're getting. A yearly fee works exactly like a fund's expense ratio: it is taken every year and compounds.

Worked example

100,000 grows for 30 years at 6% a year before the advice fee.

  • With no fee: 100,000 × 1.06³⁰ ≈ 574,300.
  • With a 1% yearly fee, it grows at about 5%: 100,000 × 1.05³⁰ ≈ 432,200.

The fee takes about 142,200, around 30% of the 474,300 the money would otherwise have gained. Whether that is worth it depends on what the advice saves you: one avoided panic sale in a crash might be worth a great deal.

What yearly costs take

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For learning only. Real accounts have fees, taxes and changing rates.

Common mistake

Treating a recommendation as free. If an adviser is paid by commission, the product price includes their pay; if fee-only, it's on your statement. Either way, ask how much it is in money per year, and what you get for it.

Key terms

commission
pay an adviser receives from a product provider for a sale
fee-only adviser
an adviser paid only by the client, not by product providers
conflict of interest
when an adviser's pay depends on what they recommend
advice fee
a yearly charge, often a % of the money advised on

Practise the key terms

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commissionpay an adviser receives from a product provider for a sale
fee-only adviseran adviser paid only by the client, not by product providers
conflict of interestwhen an adviser's pay depends on what they recommend
advice feea yearly charge, often a % of the money advised on

Practice

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50,000 is invested for 20 years at 7% a year before costs. An adviser charges 1.5% a year.

Quick quiz

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  1. What is the main conflict with commission-based advice?

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    The adviser may earn more by recommending some products than others. Pay depends on the product sold.

  2. According to Bogle, what can make a good adviser worth the fee?

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    Planning, and keeping you from costly mistakes such as panic selling. Behaviour and planning, not fund picking.

The other view

Bogle's case is about picking funds, not about advice as a whole. The Harvard researchers Bogle cites also said they remained open to the possibility of "substantial intangible benefits". And Bogle himself says advisers' other services can be valuable.

In short

  • Advisers can help with planning, taxes and behaviour.
  • Bogle finds no evidence that advisers as a group pick market-beating funds.
  • Commission and fee-only pay create different conflicts; both are costs.
  • A 1% yearly fee can take around 30% of 30 years' gains.

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  1. What is a fee-only adviser?

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    One paid only by the client, not by commissions from product providers.

  2. Why does a 1% fee take far more than 1% of your money over 30 years?

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    It is taken every year, and the money taken can no longer compound.

  3. Name one service Bogle thinks can justify an adviser's fee.

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    Any of: financial planning, setting a sensible investment mix, tax help, or keeping you from emotional mistakes.

Further reading

  • John C. Bogle, The Little Book of Common Sense Investing (John Wiley & Sons, 2007), chapter 10.
  • Bergstresser, D., Chalmers, J. M. R., & Tufano, P. (2009). Assessing the costs and benefits of brokers in the mutual fund industry. Review of Financial Studies, 22(10), 4129–4156.
  • Investor.gov, the U.S. SEC's investor site, including how to check an adviser's background (a U.S. example).